Former US intelligence contractor Edward Snowden, who blew
the whistle on mass government surveillance, has dodged questions about
whether he had read all the classified documents he leaked to the public
and explained the practical realities of the mass data collection in
terms most internet users clearly understand: how easily the government
can access your "dick pics".
Snowden made the rare face-to-face interview with comedian and host of satirical program
John Oliver, who proved once again he does journalism better than many
professional journalists. Oliver travelled to Moscow a week ago to speak
to Snowden, who sought asylum in Russia after going public with the
material.
Oliver, who has fiercely resisted being labelled a journalist
in the past, pushed Snowden with a direct and challenging line of
questioning in parts of the interview about whether he had actually read
all the documents he leaked, asserting that there had been "f...-ups",
as Oliver termed them.
Non-journalist John Oliver showed his interview skills while talking to Edward Snowden.
Snowden replied that he had evaluated and "understood" all the documents, but would not confirm that he had actually read them.
The British host and his subject also provided perhaps the
simplest explanation yet for how the surveillance program actually
worked, using the nude pictures people send to each other online as an
example.
"This is the most visible line in the sand for people," said Oliver, "can they see my dick?"
Snowden told him that while there was of course no 'Dick Pic
Program', "they are still collecting everybody's information, including
your dick pics".
Oliver then lead Snowden through a series of detailed
questions about different National Security Agency programs and whether
they could see or collect this type of picture, with Snowden explaining
how in most cases, they could.
"If you have your email somewhere like Gmail, hosted on
servers overseas or transferred overseas, or at any time, crosses over
borders outside the United States, your junk ends up on the database,"
Snowden told him.
Snowden has been interviewed before, including by the
Guardian, which broke the original NSA story, and in the Oscar-winning documentary
Citizenfour, and had
previously discussed how the NSA viewed people's private, naked photographs.
But the wry execution of the latest interview sparked huge
interest when it was screened on Sunday night and went viral on Monday
in the United States. It also once again earned Oliver praise for his
journalistic ability.
The terms under which the interview were brokered are not known - HBO, the network which screens
Last Week Tonight,
"respectfully declined" to respond to questions on the interview from
Fairfax Media.
Snowden certainly seemed caught off guard during several
segments of the interview, suggesting he was not expecting many of the
questions which came up.
The episode is likely to fuel further discussion about whether
Last Week Tonight,
which each week tackles a current event or real issue with humour,
should best be defined as journalism or comedy, or some hybrid of both.
Oliver has made headlines before with his work on the show, revealing discrepancies in the
claims about scholarships made by the Miss America pageant, or delving into the
tactics used by tobacco companies to thwart regulation around the world.
His work certainly achieves journalistic ends through
journalistic means - interviewing or evaluating primary sources,
pursuing information in the public interest, explaining events and
concepts and disclosing new information to his audience.
But like the outgoing host of
The Daily Show, Jon Stewart, Oliver has repeatedly eschewed any label that even incorporates "journalism", telling the
New York Times last
year: "We are making jokes about the news and sometimes we need to
research things deeply to understand them, but it's always in service of
a joke. If you make jokes about animals, that does not make you a
zoologist. We certainly hold ourselves to a high standard and fact-check
everything, but the correct term for what we do is 'comedy'."
smh.com.au 7 Apr 2015
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